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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by New Atanea on Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:51 am

    Federation of Antanares wrote:No one will place base in Antanares, this is sure. Clarified this, the idea of massive war game will be fun for us. A massive military exercise between our military forces could be great. Antanares can host it, if you want.
    F**k no you're just gonna nuke the area where the military exercises are when you decide to side with SECURS
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Eurasia on Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:59 am

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    New-Zealand wrote:Anyone there? Can anyone think of some new stuff for us to do? Maybe a massive war game? Or we could have all our leaders meet for a super secretive meeting just to spike international tension. Any ideas?
    We could hold an unofficial conference in Eurasia or Eltebena. It could be about placing military bases inside eachother's nation for increased security, launching high-tech spy/nuclear-missile sattelites into orbit or something.

    We could do it in my northernmost colony. It's isolated and ver James Bond villain esq.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Zackalantis on Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:02 am

    To: UPS nations
    From: Office of His Majesty's PM

    We are still looking forward for your confirmation on your representative to the ICGC.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by New Atanea on Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:27 am

    Zackalantis wrote:To: UPS nations
    From: Office of His Majesty's PM

    We are still looking forward for your confirmation on your representative to the ICGC.
    So far I'm the only one that volunteered for it.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Eurasia on Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:40 am

    Well then you can represent us.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by New Atanea on Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:12 am

    Alright. The UPS has hereby confirmed their representative to the ICGC, the chancellor of Atanosia, Vladimir Sarkovich (Vladimir Putin).
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Federation of Antanares on Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:14 am

    Atenosia wrote:
    Federation of Antanares wrote:No one will place base in Antanares, this is sure. Clarified this, the idea of massive war game will be fun for us. A massive military exercise between our military forces could be great. Antanares can host it, if you want.
    F**k no you're just gonna nuke the area where the military exercises are when you decide to side with SECURS

    Well, Antanares is just a bit better then how result from your description.

    But the problem doesn't exist now. Antanares will exit from the UPS how regular members and ask for the role of observer. Thanks
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by New-Zealand on Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:03 pm

    Atenosia wrote:Alright. The UPS has hereby confirmed their representative to the ICGC, the chancellor of Atanosia, Vladimir Sarkovich (Vladimir Putin).

    Just keep a cap on it okay. No need to go in there all guns blazing and start a world war.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by New-Zealand on Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:04 pm

    Federation of Antanares wrote:
    Atenosia wrote:
    Federation of Antanares wrote:No one will place base in Antanares, this is sure. Clarified this, the idea of massive war game will be fun for us. A massive military exercise between our military forces could be great. Antanares can host it, if you want.
    F**k no you're just gonna nuke the area where the military exercises are when you decide to side with SECURS

    Well, Antanares is just a bit better then how result from your description.

    But the problem doesn't exist now. Antanares will exit from the UPS how regular members and ask for the role of observer. Thanks

    Done.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by New-Zealand on Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:39 pm

    I would like to propose a possible HQ for the organisation.







    I present the "LilyPad". A massive floating structure, that could double as an HQ, R&D and central administrations office for the UPS. It would mainly serve as the HQ, with a Administrative Wing which deals with the trade management, and general bureaucratic stuff, as well as housing the Council Chambers, where representatives from each of the UPS nations meet on a regular basis. Each of our UPS councillors will be permanently stationed on the LilyPad. We could also have a large wing dedicated to Science and Research, here we could have our scientists work on top secret projects off all kinds, from weaponry to biotech research all the way down to simple vaccinations research. It would really allow us to pool together our scientific might. Of course, we would also have to have another wing dedicated to housing all the personnel stationed on the facility, approximately around a thousand people, each living in apartment style accommodation.

    The Pros :
    Green-Tech (Really emphasises our Progressive Nature)
    Can be moved (Slow, but still mobile)
    Provides an opportunity for all our scientists to work together in state of the art labs.
    Really really cool (It's a freakin floating city!)

    The Cons :
    Vulnerable (It's going to need a comprehensive naval fleet to defend it, but if we each chip in a few forces each it shouldn't be too big a deal)
    Cost (I'm happy for NZ to lead the build, but we can only afford to cover like 30% of the costs, we will need funds from other UPS members. And perhaps some of our members can each donate a bit to the project. Like if you have a good military sector, build some defence systems, or if your a healthcare giant, build the hospital etc.)
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by New Atanea on Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:52 pm

    An eco-friendly compact and mobile naval city? Interesting concept but where will we put it? Certainly not near our enemy's borders.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by New-Zealand on Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:20 pm

    For now, we leave it in the harbour Area between NZ and Eurasia. It's secluded, and easily defendable.

    It serves as our base of operations and will kinda move around there, coming near ports every now and then to refuel and restock. It would also move around as and when needed. So if something important is going down in say Ireland, we move it there to kinda help co-ordinate our efforts. Should we have a important science project that needs research done in a certain part of the world, we send it there. Usually though, it'll be resting in the Eurasia-NZ vicinity.

    Defence wise, I propose the formation of the UPSAF, The UPS Allied Flotilla. It will be a naval contingent made up of warships and naval forces, personnel etc. "donated" by our nations to the UPS HQ. So the UPSAF, will be a little army in itself and will be controlled directly by the LilyPad, which in itself is headed by the UPS High Council, which is made up of delegates from each UPS member nation. The UPSAF will serve the exclusive duty of being the round the clock escort and defence force of the LilyPad. Should the HQ come under attack, the UPSAF should be more than capable of holding off till our mainland forces arrive.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Eurasia on Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:50 am

    I'm not keen on this, mainly because it's kinda dangerous. I mean, one well placed round from artillery could sink our entire headquarters.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Reisal on Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:28 pm

    Why don't we have the base in a mountain range?
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by New-Zealand on Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:12 pm

    Europe and Asia wrote:I'm not keen on this, mainly because it's kinda dangerous. I mean, one well placed round from artillery could sink our entire headquarters.

    Well by that Logic, A few well placed round from Artillery could destroy your entire Capital.


    I think this would serve as a great opportunity. Remember, secret bases in mountains give of a sense of evil. A Green-Tech floating city inhabited with Scientists researching ground breaking innovations that will benefit all humanity is the opposite of evil.. The fact of the matter is, the HQ will be our image to the world, this gives out a positive humanitarian image, a secret bunker not so much. Plus, if they do blow it up, imagine the moral backlash. They would have just needlessly killed innocent scientists and civilians for no reason. The thing is, it doesn't need any bunker style defences. It is the only defence it needs. It's not a extremely militarised outpost, so blowing it up would come across destructive, excessive and just down right mercenary.  

    Think of our image as an organisation guys. SECURS has all this fancy royal palaces and royal weddings etc. We need to be the free thinking, progressive, green-tech society of tomorrow, not some overly militarised, aggressive, paranoid USSR style collective of the past. The LilyPad is our Palace, it's a show of what tomorrow could be with the UPS. We're showing people what we're capable of. Our goal isn't to destroy SECURS, it's to take the power away from them, and the best way to do that is to match their palaces tit for tat with Future style mega-projects, like the LilyPad.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Arveyres on Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:51 pm

    The Royal Society of Arveyres in open collaboration with the UPS, would support the construction of the LilyPad openly monetarily.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by New-Zealand on Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:03 pm

    Arveyres wrote:The Royal Society of Arveyres in open collaboration with the UPS, would support the construction of the LilyPad openly monetarily.

    Wait, would you like to become a member of the UPS? I know you're a Monarchy, but your Monarchs are extremely liberal, and your country is essentially democratic.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Eurasia on Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:03 pm

    New-Zealand wrote:
    Europe and Asia wrote:I'm not keen on this, mainly because it's kinda dangerous. I mean, one well placed round from artillery could sink our entire headquarters.

    Well by that Logic, A few well placed round from Artillery could destroy your entire Capital.


    I think this would serve as a great opportunity. Remember, secret bases in mountains give of a sense of evil. A Green-Tech floating city inhabited with Scientists researching ground breaking innovations that will benefit all humanity is the opposite of evil.. The fact of the matter is, the HQ will be our image to the world, this gives out a positive humanitarian image, a secret bunker not so much. Plus, if they do blow it up, imagine the moral backlash. They would have just needlessly killed innocent scientists and civilians for no reason. The thing is, it doesn't need any bunker style defences. It is the only defence it needs. It's not a extremely militarised outpost, so blowing it up would come across destructive, excessive and just down right mercenary.  

    Think of our image as an organisation guys. SECURS has all this fancy royal palaces and royal weddings etc. We need to be the free thinking, progressive, green-tech society of tomorrow, not some overly militarised, aggressive, paranoid USSR style collective of the past. The LilyPad is our Palace, it's a show of what tomorrow could be with the UPS. We're showing people what we're capable of. Our goal isn't to destroy SECURS, it's to take the power away from them, and the best way to do that is to match their palaces tit for tat with Future style mega-projects, like the LilyPad.

    Uh, no. My capital isn't a floating island. All it would take would be for something explosive it get hit or just some high explosive ordinance and your "Green City" would be at the bottom of the Eurasia Sea.

    And furthermore, do you think nations like Tokugawa are going to care about political backlash?
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Australian Eltebena on Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:47 pm

    Australian Eltebena will happily support the lilypad in a monetary and research capacity. However as we currently have a deficit, we would like to ask if any nations can make an investment in our pharmaceuticals sector. This sector is strongly regulated so that prices remain very low and we can make sure that this price is spread across the nations of the UPS.

    Australian Eltebena can contribute to healthcare, a high speed monorail system, non-military research, renewable electricity generation, and building sustainable ecosystems through the use of things such as permaculture.

    We will begin by contributing a starting amount $30 billion AUD and then an annual budget of 1% of GDP which is currently $18 billion AUD. We do not however have the military power to help the defence of the Lillypad.

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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Eurasia on Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:48 pm

    Eurasia would be willing to also supply funding if the New-Zealand Government or whomever is handling designs for the LilyPad can assure us that our concerns are not merited.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Australian Eltebena on Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:51 pm

    If it was constantly on the move and able to be disguise in amongst a whole heap of islands It could be potentially safer. Sustainability is also an issue, it should be built in a way so that it is self reliant if supply lines are broken.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by New Atanea on Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:33 pm

    Europe and Asia wrote:Eurasia would be willing to also supply funding if the New-Zealand Government or whomever is handling designs for the LilyPad can assure us that our concerns are not merited.
    The Federation of Atanosia is willing to participate in the construction of the LilyPad. We would ensure physical security measurements on the project. The most notable parts of it would be Phalanx turrets and Graphene coating instead of glass since it is flexible, transparent like glass but strong enough to withstand the force of an artillery shot.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Eurasia on Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:38 pm

    Atenosia wrote:
    Europe and Asia wrote:Eurasia would be willing to also supply funding if the New-Zealand Government or whomever is handling designs for the LilyPad can assure us that our concerns are not merited.
    The Federation of Atanosia is willing to participate in the construction of the LilyPad. We would ensure physical security measurements on the project. The most notable parts of it would be Phalanx turrets and Graphene coating instead of glass since it is flexible, transparent like glass but strong enough to withstand the force of an artillery shot.

    What about missiles?
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by New Atanea on Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:06 am

    Europe and Asia wrote:
    Atenosia wrote:
    Europe and Asia wrote:Eurasia would be willing to also supply funding if the New-Zealand Government or whomever is handling designs for the LilyPad can assure us that our concerns are not merited.
    The Federation of Atanosia is willing to participate in the construction of the LilyPad. We would ensure physical security measurements on the project. The most notable parts of it would be Phalanx turrets and Graphene coating instead of glass since it is flexible, transparent like glass but strong enough to withstand the force of an artillery shot.

    What about missiles?
    The Phalanx turrets take care of that.
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    Re: (UPS) Union for Progressive States

    Post by Eurasia on Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:22 am

    Atenosia wrote:
    Europe and Asia wrote:
    Atenosia wrote:
    Europe and Asia wrote:Eurasia would be willing to also supply funding if the New-Zealand Government or whomever is handling designs for the LilyPad can assure us that our concerns are not merited.
    The Federation of Atanosia is willing to participate in the construction of the LilyPad. We would ensure physical security measurements on the project. The most notable parts of it would be Phalanx turrets and Graphene coating instead of glass since it is flexible, transparent like glass but strong enough to withstand the force of an artillery shot.

    What about missiles?
    The Phalanx turrets take care of that.

    Very well. Eurasia will commit a portion of its naval fleet to guarding the area and will provide start up funding for the project. Further, Eurasian Companies Mishriah Armory and Traxus Heavy-Industries would be willing to aid in structural production as well as the advanced electronics and laboratories.

    Initial funding for the project from Eurasia will be €20,000,000,000, followed by a €10,000,000,000 monthly input until completion.

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