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    Planita's Amendments

    Post by Vajorr on Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:38 am

    Proposed Changes

    • Unicameral Parliament (12 seats)
    • Chancellor receives voting powers and can veto bills (veto can be over-ridden by 2/3rds majority in the Parliament)
    • adds Official Ambassador account/nation
    • Abolish CoM adds Speaker of Parliament
    • Clarifies Shared Founder Users obligations
    • Complete Reformatting

    Ideas

    • Run-off elections if a tie
    • 1/3 of PM must vote for a bill to pass


    Proposal:

    ESAMIR CONSTITUTION
    Preamble
    We, the nations of Esamir, on this day of August 19th 2014, do pledge that we will live up to our creed in this Constitution. We will be a beacon to the world for our advocacy of Truth, Justice, and Freedom. This Constitution will be the permanent, yet amendable, document from which the Region will function.

    Article 1: Government Operations
    1. The people of Esamir are proud to establish a democratic multiparty government to rule over this region. We also wish this Constitution to be liquid to reflect needed changes in the region.
    2. The people of Esamir, due to past experience, hereby proudly announces the vital separation of the Founder from the Government of Esamir. The Founder shall be an shared account operated by 5 chosen nations which will only be a transparent body tasked with administering the region of Esamir and the forum. These 5 people shall be known as The Share Founder Users or Admins. The Founder itself shall have no power whatsoever in the government or roleplaying.  Any of the five nations given access to The Designer may decide to give up the power of the Founder but the remaining Share Founder Users of the Founder must complete the process of appointing a nation to the vacant position within two months. Failure to do so within the set time period shall give power to the legislature to appoint a nation to the post with Parliamentary  approval. As a Shared Founder, it is a rotating seat, meaning that any of the five nations may have access at any time, usually identifying themselves when they post for the general population. As Founder, they have access to the Founder abilities limited by the Government to which the Founder serves. A nation may have access to the Founder revoked with bicameral approval from the legislature.
    3. The Shared Founder Users shall govern the region and ensure the region is an active thriving community of nations. The Shared Founder Users shall manage recruitment of new nations and the implementation of foreign policy in conjunction with the President.

    Article 2: Legislative Functions
    1. The Parliament is a unicameral, or 1 chambered, Parliament called the Esamir Parliament. The number of the seats of Parliament shall change in response to the number of active nations in the region.
    2. A member of Parliament, to be known as a MP, is an individual responsible to drafting and voting on potential legislation. To qualify as a MP, a candidate must be in the region for at least a week and have a verified forum account. The minimum number of MP’s is 12. Members of parliament are elected for a term of three months and are eligible for re-election.
    3. The Easmir Parliament shall be tasked with proposing and voting on legislation that deal with legislation specifically dealing with interregional issues, matters of security and role-playing in Esamir.
    5. A members of the Parliament, Executive, Judiciary and Shared Founder Users may be impeached for improper conduct. If the Parliament continues with the charges, a joint sitting of the entire government without the official being impeached, shall control the trial. If the official is found guilty via a two-thirds majority vote then he/she will be stripped of his/her position and subject to further punishment if necessary.
    6. For every 150 nations who join after the region reaches 150 member nations, the Esamir Parliament will gain two seats. The seat number will go down by two for every 150 nations who leave until the base is reached at twelve seats. The maximum number of possible seats shall be sixteen.
    7. A player's main nation may not be a member of both houses at the same time and changes in seat number will go into effect in the next scheduled general election.

    Article 3: Executive Functions
    1. The Executive Branch known is an association of officials that are democratically elected by majority vote by direct vote by the people.
    2. The Executive Branch shall consist of the positions of a Chancellor and a President. The main duties of the Executive Branch are representing the Esamir Government at home and abroad and supporting the operations of the Legislature.
    4. To be elected to an Executive position, a potential candidate must have resided in the region for at least a month and have a verified forum account.

    Article 4: The Chancellor
    1. The Chancellor as the Head of the Government of Esamir has the primary duty of overseeing the daily operations of the Government. The primary role of that duty is to coordinate the functions of the Government.
    2. The Chancellor is elected to a two month renewable once consecutively; afterwards, the officeholder must sit out for one term before being eligible again. The Chancellor may be removed from office by a vote of no-confidence by a two-thirds majority vote by the Assembly.  If the Chancellor has committed improper conduct he/she may be impeached by a two-thirds majority vote by a joint sitting of the Government.
    by the Assembly.
    3. The Chancellor’s powers shall be to introduce legislation into Parliament  to 3. At the beginning of the Chancellor’s term, he/she will appoint Ministers that will be approved be voted on, voting  on bills, acting as co-Speaker of the House for both chambers, and announcing government decisions.
    The Chancellor can also veto a passed bill, but the veto can be renewable once consecutively; afterwards, the officeholder must sit out for one term before being eligible again. The Chancellor The Chancellor may be removed from office by a vote of no-confidence by a two-thirds majority vote by the Assembly. If the Chancellor has committed improper conduct he/she may be impeached by a two-thirds majority vote by a joint sitting of the Government.
    4. The Chancellor will appoint a Speaker of the House for the Parliament. The Speaker of the House coordinates the legislative process and controls any debates that follow. If needed the Speaker may also make announcement to the region of important government decisions.

    Article 5: The President
    1. The President (or the WA delegate) has the primary obligation of representing Esamir abroad. Responsible to the Shared Founder Users, President has a large variety of duties dealing with matters of foreign nature.
    2. The President is elected by the people to a two month term consecutively renewable only once. After the appointment of a President, the new President must be World Assembly delegate within a week. If the President has committed improper conduct he/she may be impeached by a two-thirds majority vote by a joint sitting of the Government.
    3. At the beginning of the President’s term, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs must submit a foreign policy for the Senate to be approved. All the following powers may be enacted with the sole consent of the President however, the Senate may contest an action and repeal it. The most significant power as President is representing Esamir abroad in foreign regions. The President shall have the power to request embassies, enhance regional relations, and send diplomats to other regions. Another important duty of the President is to represent Esamir in the World Assembly as the World Assembly Delegate.
    4. The Ministry shall have access to the official ambassador of Esamir called the Esamir Ambassador. The Ministry shall use the ambassador to open relations with potentially friendly regions, make announcements to foreign regions, and be a the main means of communicating with the Ministry abroad.  

    Article 7-The Judiciary
    1. The Judiciary named the Court of Justice is divided into a three part system. The parts are The Chief Justice, The Associate Justices, and The Jury.
    2. The Chief Justice is the leader of the Judiciary. The Chief Justice is elected for a term of 6 months and is eligible for re-election. The Chief Justice and the Associate Justices set the sentences once someone is found guilty by the jury. The CJ will announce the decision of the Jury and implement it as well as overseeing the General Elections.
    3. There are to be a minimum of four Associate Justices. The Associate Justices are elected for a term of 2 months and are eligible for re-election. They will support the Chief Justice in civil cases by deciding the outcome. If the Chief of Justice is being elected a Associate Justice will oversee the General Elections.
    4. The Jury System is composed of a five-member jury selected in a randomized manner from the active members. To ensure the anonymity for the jury members, accounts labeled "Juror #_" will be assigned to the members who will then decide amongst themselves the verdict by a majority vote. If the defendant wishes to ask for a public listing of the jury votes, the justice leading the court would ask the jury accounts to list their true verdict.
    5. The Judiciary shall gain two Associate justice seats when the region contains a total of 300 nations. These two seats can be lost when the region contains less than 300 nations by the week of general elections.
    6. Members of the Legislature, Executive, Judiciary and the Shared Founder Users if found guilty in a court case may be removed from office by the Judiciary as part of the sentence for a specified time.
    7. All the Justices together shall have the power to make rulings on the interpretation of the constitution and laws.

    Article 8-Rights of All Nations in Esamir
    The Rights listed below are the Rights of the Nations in the Region of Esamir.
    1. The Right to vote for Regional President.
    2. The Right to vote in polls and have their vote respected.
    3. The Right to Amend the Constitution.
    4. The Right to National Sovereignty In Game
    5. The Right to Free Speech.
    6. The Right to protest against their Government.
    7. The Right to post on the Regional Message Board.
    8. The Right to Choose whether to Participate in Regional Events.
    9. The Right to Petition the Government
    10. The Right to Leave the Region.


    Article 9-General Elections
    1. General Elections shall be held every three months in the last week of the final month in which the current government is in power. They shall be elected by a ballot. Candidates can stand either as a member of a Political Party or as an Independent.
    2. The President, Chancellor and the Chief Justice will be elected by First Past the Post voting method. Elections where more than one position is to be filled will use a system where the voter can vote either for an Independent or a Political Party.
    3. Political Parties will list their candidates in order of most desired member to the least. The positions will be allocated in proportion to the votes cast for each party and if a party has not fielded enough candidates, the next party still with candidates will gain the position. Vacancies for these positions will be filled with reference to the last election result and bye-elections held only once all candidates in that election have either been elected or withdrawn. Such bye-elections if for one position shall use the First Past the Post voting method.
    4. After the allotment of seats have been decided, the leaders of the elected political parties have one week to decide which candidate will occupy a seat. Failure to do so will result in the seat being declared empty.

    Article 10-The Process of Amending the Constitution
    1. Amending the Constitution occurs through a Constitutional Convention, which shall be called by at least three members of Parliament, which shall include at least one member from each house. At the Convention, nations submit and discuss amendments to the Constitution. After due acceptance of the Amendment by a two-thirds majority vote from a joint sitting of Parliament, it will be added to the Constitution.
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Tkhri on Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:25 am

    From what I can tell, it seems good. But, what are (if there are any) differences between Planita's amendments and Talanzaar's, other than the formatting?
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Eurasia on Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:34 am

    I disagree with any voting limits placed on bills. Our region is woefully inactive. Expecting anything other than a 2-1 or 1-0 vote is both asinine and naïve.
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Reisal on Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:42 am

    Europe and Asia wrote:I disagree with any voting limits placed on bills. Our region is woefully inactive. Expecting anything other than a 2-1 or 1-0 vote is both asinine and naïve.
    It isn't "asinine and naive", its just an idea.

    I am against voting limits but other than that your changes are almost identical to mine
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Vajorr on Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:02 am

    Talanzaar wrote:
    Europe and Asia wrote:I disagree with any voting limits placed on bills. Our region is woefully inactive. Expecting anything other than a 2-1 or 1-0 vote is both asinine and naïve.
    It isn't "asinine and naive", its just an idea.

    I am against voting limits but other than that your changes are almost identical to mine
    There is only a few things that we need change
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Eurasia on Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:20 am

    Talanzaar wrote:
    Europe and Asia wrote:I disagree with any voting limits placed on bills. Our region is woefully inactive. Expecting anything other than a 2-1 or 1-0 vote is both asinine and naïve.
    It isn't "asinine and naive", its just an idea.

    I am against voting limits but other than that your changes are almost identical to mine

    It is asinine and naïve. It assumes that Esamir has the same level of activity it had in the past, which it obviously doesn't. It may eventually, but for now if we want anything done we have to simplify how we vote.
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by United States of Europe on Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:53 pm

    I would have to propose two changes:
    1) The Speaker shall be elected by Parliament by a simple majority. Or at least the personality given by the Chancellor should be approved by a simple majority of MPs.
    2) We do not agree with the veto power of the Chancellor, as we do not see any real utility. The Chancellor should be able to vote on legislative proposals, but also propose new bills, as a regular representative, but without any kind of special privilege.


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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by New Tarajan on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:52 pm

    I ask sorry for the late comments. I hope still to contribute actively to such an important issue.

    I agree with both the ideas proposed by Europe.
    About the other amendments proposed, I would suggest to keep the CoM, for the simple reason that we need a strong executive which could react quickly to situations inside and outside the Region, especially since many nations are actually not active.

    Moreover, for the issue of the Ambassador, we have the Regional Delegate aka Minister for Foreign Affairs.
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Kaevi on Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:44 am

    I do not think the Council of Ministers should be done away with. Perhaps the clause that requires them to be approved by the Assembly should be removed as it is ignored anyway.

    I also do not think law proposals should be limited to gov't officials, rather any registered member should be allowed to submit a proposal to the floor.

    The minimum votes for laws should be left up to the MoIA or legislative acts. If we allow a 1-0 or 2-1 situation, then we might as well allow everyone to vote.
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Vajorr on Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:34 am

    Kaevi wrote:I do not think the Council of Ministers should be done away with. Perhaps the clause that requires them to be approved by the Assembly should be removed as it is ignored anyway.

    I also do not think law proposals should be limited to gov't officials, rather any registered member should be allowed to submit a proposal to the floor.

    The minimum votes for laws should be left up to the MoIA or legislative acts. If we allow a 1-0 or 2-1 situation, then we might as well allow everyone to vote.
    what does everyone else think?
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Eurasia on Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:05 pm

    Kaevi wrote:I do not think the Council of Ministers should be done away with. Perhaps the clause that requires them to be approved by the Assembly should be removed as it is ignored anyway.

    I also do not think law proposals should be limited to gov't officials, rather any registered member should be allowed to submit a proposal to the floor.

    The minimum votes for laws should be left up to the MoIA or legislative acts. If we allow a 1-0 or 2-1 situation, then we might as well allow everyone to vote.

    I disagree with vote minimums. We simply aren't active enough to expect very may people to vote.
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by United States of Europe on Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:55 pm

    Kaevi wrote:I do not think the Council of Ministers should be done away with. Perhaps the clause that requires them to be approved by the Assembly should be removed as it is ignored anyway.

    I also do not think law proposals should be limited to gov't officials, rather any registered member should be allowed to submit a proposal to the floor.

    The minimum votes for laws should be left up to the MoIA or legislative acts. If we allow a 1-0 or 2-1 situation, then we might as well allow everyone to vote.
    I disagree on the minimum votes to pass a law. This rule apparently might seem useful,however, is likely to completely block the legislative process,especially for bills more full-bodied and substantial (that I'm usually propose). You can not expect that all nations must read and amend projects,is simply something that can not happen,because of the inactivity of the players. Furthermore,many good laws (which still cost labor and time to those who propose them) would risk being binned not because shot down by the majority,but because they have not reached the minimum threshold. To me this is not acceptable.
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Eurasia on Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:06 pm

    United States of Europe wrote:
    Kaevi wrote:I do not think the Council of Ministers should be done away with. Perhaps the clause that requires them to be approved by the Assembly should be removed as it is ignored anyway.

    I also do not think law proposals should be limited to gov't officials, rather any registered member should be allowed to submit a proposal to the floor.

    The minimum votes for laws should be left up to the MoIA or legislative acts. If we allow a 1-0 or 2-1 situation, then we might as well allow everyone to vote.
    I disagree on the minimum votes to pass a law. This rule apparently might seem useful,however, is likely to completely block the legislative process,especially for bills more full-bodied and substantial (that I'm usually propose). You can not expect that all nations must read and amend projects,is simply something that can not happen,because of the inactivity of the players. Furthermore,many good laws (which still cost labor and time to those who propose them) would risk being binned not because shot down by the majority,but because they have not reached the minimum threshold. To me this is not acceptable.

    I agree with this. There have been many good laws that have died because of the vote minimum. It isn't conducive to active legislation, at least not right now. If your worried about legislation when the forums get more active, that's a bridge we'll have to cross when we get to it.
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Tkhri on Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:37 am

    Europe and Asia wrote:
    United States of Europe wrote:
    Kaevi wrote:I do not think the Council of Ministers should be done away with. Perhaps the clause that requires them to be approved by the Assembly should be removed as it is ignored anyway.

    I also do not think law proposals should be limited to gov't officials, rather any registered member should be allowed to submit a proposal to the floor.

    The minimum votes for laws should be left up to the MoIA or legislative acts. If we allow a 1-0 or 2-1 situation, then we might as well allow everyone to vote.
    I disagree on the minimum votes to pass a law. This rule apparently might seem useful,however, is likely to completely block the legislative process,especially for bills more full-bodied and substantial (that I'm usually propose). You can not expect that all nations must read and amend projects,is simply something that can not happen,because of the inactivity of the players. Furthermore,many good laws (which still cost labor and time to those who propose them) would risk being binned not because shot down by the majority,but because they have not reached the minimum threshold. To me this is not acceptable.

    I agree with this. There have been many good laws that have died because of the vote minimum. It isn't conducive to active legislation, at least not right now. If your worried about legislation when the forums get more active, that's a bridge we'll have to cross when we get to it.

    I agree with this, also.
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Eurasia on Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:39 pm

    are we ready to vote?
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Rapau Nui on Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:02 am

    I am for.
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    Re: Planita's Amendments

    Post by Eurasia on Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:23 am

    Okay, I guess we'll reformat then.

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