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    Re: History Collaboration Thread

    Post by Zackalantis on Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:43 pm

    But we only got independence in 1847 and became a democracy in 1850 following the zach civil war.
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    Post by New Tarajan on Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:46 pm

    Zackalantis wrote:But we only got independence in 1847 and became a democracy in 1850 following the zach civil war.

    And there was nothing before?
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    Post by Zackalantis on Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:53 pm

    Well the time period to which u are referring to is the time of Scottish occupation. That ended in 1835 abd the Irish rule began.
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    Post by Zackalantis on Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:57 pm

    Maybe the monarchy's involvement in your conflict could have been the trigger for the civil war in ukz. Because we lost and you had taken large tracts of land from us.
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    Post by Zackalantis on Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:57 pm

    Maybe the monarchy's involvement in your conflict could have been the trigger for the civil war in ukz. Because we lost and you had taken large tracts of land from us.
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    Re: History Collaboration Thread

    Post by New-Zealand on Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:23 pm

    So wait, how does my nation tie into this? Cause I'm a settlement colony, whilst Zach is a colony which was already inhabited by natives. 


    Maybe, New Tarajan founded New-Zealand and it's settlers came and built this nation up. During the whole independace of UKZ thing (can we clarify it), NZ pushed to become a independant democratic republic. It would explain why NZ is so republican, but still close to New Tarajan. We're set in our republicanism, but New Tarajan is still our historical mother state, and many of our citzens have Tarajani heritage. 

    Also, we could say it was mainly lower class and working class Tarajani's who moved to NZ to settle and start over, escaping the social heirachy at that time. It would explain why we're such a left wing nation, our founding settlers started at the bottom and built a nation where the people at the lower end don't get left behind.
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    Post by New Tarajan on Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:34 pm

    New-Zealand wrote:So wait, how does my nation tie into this? Cause I'm a settlement colony, whilst Zach is a colony which was already inhabited by natives. 


    Maybe, New Tarajan founded New-Zealand and it's settlers came and built this nation up. During the whole independace of UKZ thing (can we clarify it), NZ pushed to become a independant democratic republic. It would explain why NZ is so republican, but still close to New Tarajan. We're set in our republicanism, but New Tarajan is still our historical mother state, and many of our citzens have Tarajani heritage. 

    Also, we could say it was mainly lower class and working class Tarajani's who moved to NZ to settle and start over, escaping the social heirachy at that time. It would explain why we're such a left wing nation, our founding settlers started at the bottom and built a nation where the people at the lower end don't get left behind.

    It makes sense! Very Happy We could manage to have the colonization period during the XVIII-XIX century....when NT founded its colonial empire.
    The independence of NZ could have been triggered also by a contemporary war with Antanares (which could have helped NZ achieve its goals).
    Thus, we would have at the same time: independence of UKZ, war with Antanares, independence of NZ. We could even add that Sdudeti-Karabak and North Ajania were finally taken over by NT from UKZ in that occasion (practically, taking the opportunity offered by the independence) and that UKZ decided to avenge that fact in the XXth century.
    If the independence of UKZ has been achieved through war, we could even manage to create a sort of big war involving NT, Ireland, UKZ, NZ and Antanares...
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    Re: History Collaboration Thread

    Post by Zackalantis on Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:20 am

    The first war of independence pitted southern ukz freedom struggle leaders with Ireland against northern freedom struggle leaders with Scotland.

    The Irish and the south won. But Ireland promised the southern leaders that Ireland would grant them independence if they helped them end the Scottish empire. The nothern leaders did not believe the Irish so aligned themselves with the Scottish to prevent Irish occupation of Zackalantis.

    The Irish went back on their promise and on 21st December 1835 they took control of Zackalantis.

    Enraged, the northern and southern leaders united to fight the Irish. They were noncooperation and civil disobedience movements. Several assassinations of important Irish diplomats and the creation of the Free Zach Army that carried out attacks not only against Ireland in zackalantis but also against other colonies of Ireland. Ireland's neighboring nations and other close allies. All in order to pressurize Ireland into leaving.
    This came to fulfillment on the 2nd of January 1847 where the united monarchy of zackalantis was established.

    This new government worked like the present day UN. With each monarch from the union kingdoms getting one vote and they elected a monarch from among them every 5 years.

    In 1849 the zach civil war broke out against the democrats and the royalists and ended with the signing of the new constitution. It is important to note that neither the democrats or royalists lost but the monarch so elected by the council of monarchs decided that the people of the nation deserve limited democracy. It should also be noted that the Democrats were losing at this point of time.

    The democrats managed to wipe out few of the Royal families and they are now included in the commonwealth as commonwealth territories with no self government but only representation in zach parliament. Exception to this rule is the commonwealth territory of Pombay
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    Re: History Collaboration Thread

    Post by New Tarajan on Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:36 am

    Well, with such an history, we could make that NT finally established its rule over Sdudeti-Karabak and North Ajania during the 1849 Civil War.

    Then, after many decades, a recovered UKZ could have decided to take them back (around 1914-15), inflicting many defeats on the Tarajani forces, and thus triggering the Tarajani Revolution (which will impose a Communist regime until 1944).


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    Re: History Collaboration Thread

    Post by Hunhewuguo on Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:57 am

    Hi All, I barely looked at this thread, so I don't really know what the history is right now, but is there a way for me to be a part of this?
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    Post by Federation of Antanares on Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:19 am

    Depends. What do you want for your history?
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    Post by Hunhewuguo on Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:20 am

    Federation of Antanares wrote:Depends. What do you want for your history?

    I have two ideas:

    1. To quote the nation creator, "Brave, decreasingly well-financed explorers traveled across the globe in search of virgin lands; upon finding them, declined to notify homeland." Then, we become a country when the homeland realizes we are missing.

    2. We are originally part of Atenosia's empire, but break away because we don't agree with their political beliefs, but we are pacifists, so we still pay modern Atenosia for the rights to use the land.

    Also, if anyone wants to do something with this, Meigmaland was originally a democratic monarchy, being in both the UPS and SECURS. But, as tensions rose between the two groups, we left SECURS and made some democratic reforms with a new constitution, mostly renaming things to make them sound more democratic (the role of the monarch/prime minister didn't change, he just changed names from monarch to prime minister).
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    Post by Eurasia on Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:20 pm

    Eurasia has always had a strong colonial presence abroad. We could fit that, if you want.
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    Re: History Collaboration Thread

    Post by Arveyres on Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:00 pm

    Arveyres was established in 956 as a conglomeration of pagan city states that evolved into Three Kingdoms

    Arveyres became a part of the Tarajani Empire on 1 August 1785 (Induction Day)

    If anyone wants to collaborate on the time between 900-1600 I'm up for it Smile
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    Post by New Tarajan on Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:52 pm

    Meigmaland....SECURS and UPS are recent constructions...they have no such deep history....(also, SECURS is simply a union of monarchical countries...no matter if democratic or not).

    Also, I wish to announce to everybody that I'm going to expand the Tarajani history (in the Registry), so be ready Very Happy and if you read something which could be interesting if fitted with your own history....write it here or tg me! Very Happy

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    Re: History Collaboration Thread

    Post by Hunhewuguo on Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:13 am

    Atenosia wrote:
    At the end of the war, Ireland and North Planita were the first to be given back their independence since it was hard to control them. Afterwards came Zackalantis since there was little to no central government focused in it and was expensive to keep, Meigmaland was the last.

    How about this: since there was very little central government, Meigmaland began to create our own local government to keep order (these local governments kept the same law as the rest of the empire, they just wanted to localize it more), but the empire tried to force Meigmaland to remove it. The Meigmalanders did not want to go back to the chaos they remembered, so, after a long and heated debate with the empire, Meigmaland was declared independent on November 16, [year? I want it to be 1x58, but what is x?].
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    Post by Zackalantis on Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:36 am

    So are you saying that Meigmaland is like a sister nation of UKZ.

    See. After Ataneosia gave us the kingdoms in present day zackalantis independence they were all at war amongst themselves. So a group of people sick and tired of the war and fighting (just when Kimg Zachary of Mikum was starting his conquest) left all these warring kingdoms and established a new nation called Meigmaland.

    How about that?
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    Post by Hunhewuguo on Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:44 am

    Zackalantis wrote:So are you saying that Meigmaland is like a sister nation of UKZ.

    See. After Ataneosia gave us the kingdoms in present day zackalantis independence they were all at war amongst themselves. So a group of people sick and tired of the war and fighting (just when Kimg Zachary of Mikum was starting his conquest) left all these warring kingdoms and established a new nation called Meigmaland.

    How about that?
    I like this. Two questions though-

    • In what year did Meigmaland declare itself independent?
    • How did the other kingdoms react to this?
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    Post by Zackalantis on Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:09 am

    The other kingdoms would not react. You would be like pilgrims
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    Post by New Tarajan on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:03 am

    Guys, a questione: when the Atenosian Empire would eventually collapse?
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    Post by New Atanea on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:06 am

    New Tarajan wrote:Guys, a questione: when the Atenosian Empire would eventually collapse?
    In 1864.
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    Post by New Tarajan on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:26 am

    Well, it would be perfect to insert also NT in the problem, then! Very Happy

    Atenosia and Tarajan could have lived moments of conflict for the question of Sdudeti-Karabak and North Ajania (a problem that Zackalantis will inherit)...so we could make that in the 1860s there was a big war between Tarajan and Atenosia, which would ultimately cause the collapse of the Empire.
    (Colonial and trade competition could be also other reasons for war).
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    Post by New Atanea on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:50 am

    New Tarajan wrote:Well, it would be perfect to insert also NT in the problem, then! Very Happy

    Atenosia and Tarajan could have lived moments of conflict for the question of Sdudeti-Karabak and North Ajania (a problem that Zackalantis will inherit)...so we could make that in the 1860s there was a big war between Tarajan and Atenosia, which would ultimately cause the collapse of the Empire.
    (Colonial and trade competition could be also other reasons for war).
    The Atanean empire separated with Zackalantis in the mid 1840's and it wouldn't make much sense to keep land that is inaccessible to you. How about this, during Atanea's war with the allied west (Planita, New Tarajan and Antanares), the war resulted in a decisive stalemate but drastically depleted the Atanean Empire's resources that led to its inability to properly regulate the massive amount of land under its rule and eventually the collapse of the empire. However, New Tarajan was the only nation to legitimately benefit from the war thanks to its focused invasion into the north-eastern borders of Atanea and victoriously conquered the territory that they had driven local infantry out of, but native residents weren't quite happy with the newcomers. It wasn't until Zackalantis had been given independence that the formation of the two puppet states began, following the successful invasion of two Zach kingdoms into the area whom established two new kingdoms in it. The original settlers of this land had gotten enough of the damn invasions and rebelled against the kingdoms. After the revolution had ended, two new pro-tarajan states had emerged that we know of today as Sdudeti-Karabak and North Ajania.
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    Post by New Tarajan on Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:37 am

    For me it's ok....with the only correction that the two States will be still the source of conflict between Tarajan (without "New"...that's a post-revolutionary adding) and Zackalantis until 1919 (end of the Karabak War, which will trigger the Tarajani Revolution).
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    Post by Federation of Antanares on Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:47 am

    Well, for me is ok, because in the 1877 Antanares was divided into three nations and in the 1920 explode a civil war that end in the 1934.

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