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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Zackalantis on Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:16 am

    The UKZ would like to bring this committees attention to the recent riots and protests in Eurasia by the Christian community. There are claims that there is injustice in the work place and discrimination against Christians, the Eurasian authorities claim that there is legislation in place to act as safeguards against such instances, however if such instances continue to take place there is a deep flaw in the legislation in place.
    If the government does not take conscious steps and measures to investigate these claims and make necessary ammendements to concerned legislation, then not only is the government of Eurasia party to the discrimination and oppression of minorities (particularly Christians) Eurasia has also failed as a Democratic institution.

    All the UKZ requests this committee is to launch necessary investigations into the matter and come up with a report.
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Eurasia on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:16 am

    Eurasia would ask of the Zach delegation whether it is expected to completely restructure its entire governmental system everytime dissatisfied minorities riot. Were that the case, all states would cease to function. The Imperial Government has done all it can, within the bounds of the law, to protect minorities. Further, we reiterate that legislation to prevent discrimination is in place. We further question if the Zach delegation is illiterate or if they are purposely engaging in blatant sophistry. We would also remind the Zach delegation that the Christian rioters attacked peaceful Muslim and Novem Deosian neighborhoods in Patavium as well as murdered police and fire officials, and so to has it been proven that many of the Christian groups protesting have ties to possible terrorist organizations. Indeed, we would question whether the Zach Government simply does not read the news, sympathizes with terrorists, or is flatly incompetent.

    Thus, Eurasia requests that this committee, or perhaps the Security Council, launch an investigation to determine whether the Government of the UKZ is in fact sympathizing with terrorists and rogue actors to destabilize Terran Federation nations like Eurasia.
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Zackalantis on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:45 am

    A. If the delegation from Eurasia cannot make out the difference between ‘legisation' and their entire government, they may be the only illiterate ones present here in this committee. The UKZ mentioned revising old legislation in order to make it more effective on the ground level.

    B. We deplore the actions of certain rioters who resorted to violent and shameful means to get their point across, but due some of these Christian groups protesting being allegedly linked to extremists it is wrong to suggest that the entire Christian community in Eurasia are linked with terrorists. We are sure that Eurasian Christians are proud and patriotic Eurasians. We do not side with any terrorist organization at all, we simply request this committee to work with Eurasia in rooting out discrimination (if it exists)

    These statements made by Eurasia clearly try to contort the truth and shift attention away from the their own wrongdoings. This proves the competence of the Eurasians for only one thing, slyness and hints at the fact that Eurasian laws for the protection of minorities are only for namesake and that the Eurasian establishment is highly incompetent when it comes to protecting the interests and rights of it's minorities.

    The new Eurasia isn't that different from colonial Eurasia
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by New Tarajan on Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:53 am

    We ask to both parties to temporarily end the debate to give the time to the HRC to collect all the necessary infos before proceeding further with the presentation of evidences and reasons from both parties.
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Eurasia on Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:50 am

    Zackalantis wrote:A. If the delegation from Eurasia cannot make out the difference between ‘legisation' and their entire government, they may be the only illiterate ones present here in this committee. The UKZ mentioned revising old legislation in order to make it more effective on the ground level.

    B. We deplore the actions of certain rioters who resorted to violent and shameful means to get their point across, but due some of these Christian groups protesting being allegedly linked to extremists it is wrong to suggest that the entire Christian community in Eurasia are linked with terrorists. We are sure that Eurasian Christians are proud and patriotic Eurasians. We do not side with any terrorist organization at all, we simply request this committee to work with Eurasia in rooting out discrimination (if it exists)

    These statements made by Eurasia clearly try to contort the truth and shift attention away from the their own wrongdoings. This proves the competence of the Eurasians for only one thing, slyness and hints at the fact that Eurasian laws for the protection of minorities are only for namesake and that the Eurasian establishment is highly incompetent when it comes to protecting the interests and rights of it's minorities.

    The new Eurasia isn't that different from colonial Eurasia

    If the delegation from Zackalantis does not understand how legislation functions, that is that it serves to place constraints or abilities upon the Government, then it is in fact they who are both ignorant and petulant. Quite frankly, if Zackalantis finds fault with the Eurasian Government, that is its own problem. Eurasia will not change its internal policies simply because other states disagree with them. There are two things our laws will be in alignment with: the Imperial Constitution and the UNE Charter. Nothing else.

    Similarly, Eurasia does not side with discrimination. We simply request this committee to work with Zackalantis in rooting our support for terrorism (if it exists). Further, we in Eurasia suspect that this supposed investigation is in fact meant to attack the faith of Mos Maiorum. We further demand this body investigate Zackalantis for both supporting terrorism and for persecution against Mos Maiorists. After all, as the Zach Delegation appears to be working from the basis that any investigation is valid for the purpose of ascertaining whether discrimination exists, we feel this to be a most important and pertinent request. After all, how can we be sure there is no persecution occurring?

    The statements made by the UKZ prove not only a curious inability to comprehend the idea of "sovereignty" and "legislation", but are in truth a mere political witch hunt against the Imperial Eurasian Government due to the past colonization of Zackalantis. In fact, we would argue that the current Zach Government is even more ignorant than in the past. Quite frankly, we are concerned as to whether their Government even understands what it is doing in this area or the domestic one.

    Let us be frank; the Eurasian Government has taken all steps possible to prevent discrimination. Laws exist. The proper channels to combat it exist. If the UKZ delegation instead refers to the beliefs of individuals, we are concerned that the Zach Government fundamentally misunderstands what a representative democracy is.

    Lastly, we would like to highlight the fallacious nature of the closing statement made by the UKZ. Firstly, it is sufficiently lacking from a purely rhetorical standpoint. Secondly, and more importantly, the new Eurasia is quite different, as Zackalantis is not currently under Eurasian occupation or colonial governance
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Zackalantis on Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:09 pm

    Eurasia has constantly repeated it's arguments. This shows that they have no Argument or basis to defend itself.

    If this committee decided that it has evidence hinting to possible persecution in UKZ we request that this committee inform us so that we may take necessary steps to correct them.

    With that we rest our case before this committee.
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Eurasia on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:55 pm

    Zackalantis has offered no proof of its accusations in any way shape or form. Thus are its ascertations are demonstrably fallacious. It has in no way proven there is actionable persecution, and on the contrary has effectively come out in support of terrorist elements within Eurasia.

    We rest our case.


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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by New Tarajan on Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:43 am

    To both parties: Stop, please.
    Give the time to the HRC to review all the data and evidences already submitted to this Office.

    THEN (and only then), debate could be resumed.
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by New Tarajan on Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:30 am

    After reviewing the statements from both parties, the Commission ask them to provide direct evidences of their affirmations.
    Please, submit the evidences in a single post, without further unnecessary comments, and in order: first, the UKZ, upon which, as accuser, falls the obligation to provide evidences of the charges.
    Then, the Eurasian Government could proceed with its own evidences.

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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Eurasia on Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:52 pm

    Eurasia would like to inquire as to the form evidence should take.

    (OOC: Not entirely sure how either of us are going to provide evidence, since there isn't any that shows I'm persecuting minorities and I don't have any specific laws that are anti discrimination anywhere; I've just always RP'ed as if they exist.)
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by New Tarajan on Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:42 pm

    OOC: For evidences, I meant mainly news posts: ergo, things that can prove the truth of the charges. The priority is given to Zackalantis, due the fact he is accusing you. Thus, Eurasia should provide evidences only in case the UKZ will present his own.
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Eurasia on Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:40 pm

    OOC: Okay goodly.
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Zackalantis on Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:29 am

    The following is the Zack reason for request of investigation...

    http://esamirforum.forumotion.net/t3p170-esamir-national-news-network#6077
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Duresia on Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:00 am

    The Duresian delegation considers those blatant accusations against Eurasia to be uncalled for. The dislike of Eurasian Empire by the Zack delegate seems to be of a personal nature and is not based on facts, we do not see anything that violates human rights in those news, riot got violent and got pacified by military, some of the Christians got mad and called the Emperor 'the devil' for not taking their side, an uncivilised behaviour I'd say. I'd like to ask the Zack delegate to leave this issue or find proper evidence that could strengthen the accusation if not, you might face consequences for those accusations, or maybe the Zack delegate sees something in those news that I don't? In that case I'd like to ask him to kindly enlighten me. Thank you.
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Zackalantis on Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:05 pm

    We reiterate. We are NOT accusing Eurasia of anything. We are merely asking this committee and Eurasia to find out what went wrong. What forced a community to turn violent against another community. Is it because of certain powers following policies of divide and rule? Is it because of hate politics or hate speech in the country?
    We don't know but we want Eurasia to investigate this under the aegis of the Human Rights Committee.
    If there are non state actors behind this violence, Eurasia needs to root them out immediately and the international community will help.

    Also the Christian minority specified discrimination in the work place. If this is so predominant then the Eurasian legislation in place for the protection of minorities is not working properly. This committee can offer suggestions to Eurasia to bring about ammends in such bills and resolutions.

    Once again we repeat we are NOT ACCUSING EURASIA.
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Eurasia on Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:31 pm

    Eurasia would like to thank the Duresian Delegation for their statement on Eurasia's behalf. Indeed, we suspect this to be a mere political witch hunt on the part of the Zach Delegation. It is a shame that this once-venerable organization has been devolved to service asinine personal vendettas.

    Be that as it may, then, it comes as a surprise to us that the Zach Delegation has now backtracked from their original position of demanding an investigation to instead suggesting that Eurasia work with the committee to investigate the possibility of the existence of unsubstantiated, one-sided claims of discrimination (the validity of which has been called into question numerous times herein). Eurasia is intrigued that the Zach Government takes such a keen interest in the interaction of various etho-religious groups in the Eurasian Empire, especially when it focuses so myopically on one incident of religious violence that was and is a highly unusual occurrence.

    Assuming that the words of the Zach Delegate concerning the inefficacy of legislation emplaced to protect minorities are to be taken at face value, Eurasia believes that the Zach Government, or at the very least their delegation and ambassador, are wholly incompetent on the definitive purpose of law. A law, such as the laws put in place to protect minorities, has a dual function. First, it prevents an atmosphere of discrimination from forming, such as non-hiring of a particular group for arbitrary reasons, e.g. religion, and second it punishes breaches of the previous. That is, if discrimination is found to have occurred, the discriminator is punished according to the letter of the law. If Zackalantis does not understand this basic distinction, it is neither the duty of Eurasia nor the HRC to explain it to them.

    We are similarly perplexed by the very nature of what Zackalantis is suggesting. Are they suggesting that, because there is a possibility of discrimination, Eurasia should allow the HRC to breach its sovereignty and override its perfectly legal anti-discrimination laws? Is Zackalantis in fact in favor of discrimination? Or, secondarily and more likely, is Zackalantis suggesting that Eurasia simply allow the HRC to investigate what it claims to be discrimination. In either event, the fallacious and deceptive nature of the Zach argument is appalling.

    Finally, Eurasia would ask of Zackalantis what it is actually asking in this HRC proposal. Assuming it means the nature of its most recent statement, it is in fact simply suggesting that Eurasia allow the HRC to violate its sovereignty to investigate imagined discrimination. If it is simply a suggestion, then Eurasia thanks Zackalantis for the concern, but must unfortunately decline. If it is, conversely, Zackalantis demanding the HRC investigate Eurasia for discrimination but paradoxically not accusing Eurasia of wrongdoing then we must again argue for the immediate and prompt dismissal of this irreparably flawed proposal, the reasons of which are not least the failure to present evidence by Zackalantis. If every riot is grounds for and HRC investigation, we may as well surrender sovereignty in its entirety and become one large, felicitous union.

    We will reiterate, as it is apparent that the Zach Delegation is averse to reading (either the news or our arguments); if Zackalantis is suggesting Eurasia allow an HRC violation of its sovereignty, we decline. If Zackalantis is requesting that the HRC investigate claims of discrimination based solely on the word of the Zach Delegation which has failed to provide any tangible evidence other than news reports of rioting, which was in fact internecine and not discriminatory, Eurasia demands this be dismissed due to an egregious lack of evidence. Thank you.
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by New Tarajan on Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:12 am

    We thank both parties, and the Duresian delegaton, for their interventions.

    Now, having seen the evidences brought by the UKZ delegation, this Commission can resolve to make some considerations about this whole issue.

    1. The evidences submitted by Zackalantis can not be used to demonstrate a discriminatory policy made by the Eurasian Government, local Eurasian authorities or non-State actors inside the Eurasian State. Indeed, there is no proof about the implementation of such policy, except for the statements of few members of the Christian community of one Eurasian province.

    2. This Commission cannot avoid to condemn the riots which happened in Eurasia, as an unnecessary violent event, which led to victims on both sides. However, it should be reminded that the riots erupted only because of the fundamentalism of this Christian minority. Never before this Commission heard of discrimination policies specifically made by the Eurasian Government against one of its ethno-religious minorities, and the offensive statements made by some rioters about His Imperial Majesty the Augustus and his government make us believe that that riot is another example of the attempt of a religious minority to try to impose its own creed and belief upon the others with the excuse of an alleged discrimination operated by "unfaithful" authorities.

    3. Although we believe in the sincere will of the Zack delegation, when bringing this case in front of this Commission, to avoid further violence, and to ensure the protection of every citizen inside Eurasia, we feel ourselves sufficiently sure that this is exactly the same purpose of the Eurasian Government itself.

    Finally, considering the abovementioned points, the request by the United Kingdoms of Zackalantis is denied.
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    Re: Office of the Human Rights Commission

    Post by Eurasia on Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:45 am

    Eurasia thanks the HRC for its decision.

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