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    (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Kaevi on Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:39 am

    Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution
    Authored by Kaevi

    Part I - Items, Beings, and Scenarios Not Permitted in Modern Roleplay
    Article A: Helicarriers and other large ships that use propellers to fly.
    Article B: Zombies, vampires, and/or pathogens that cause similar effects.
    Article C: Use of anti-matter in any form.
    Article D: Use of nanotechnology in biological organisms.
    Article E: Vehicles that travel faster than 45% of the speed of light.
    Article F: Altering of the DNA in organisms already born.
    Article G: Alien life that exceeds the bacterial level in evolution.

    Part II - Technologies Permitted with Restrictions
    Article A: Colonies may be established in Earth’s orbit, Earth’s Lagrange points, and on Earth’s moon with a limit of five hundred people.
    Article B: The planet of Mars may have bases that house no more than two thousand people.
    Article C: Mechs without the capability to fly may be permitted.
    Article D: Terraforming may be initiated, but only completed in the Future Era Roleplay.
    Article E: Robotic armor not powered by nuclear fusion may be permitted.

    Part III - Use of Supernatural Elements
    Article A: Nations may make claims and histories involving fairies, witches, sorcerers, demons, merfolk, and/or angels, but the regional government may not confirm or deny the existence of such creatures.
    Article B: Nations may also make claims and histories involving voodoo, sorcery, and/or witchcraft, but the regional government may not confirm or deny the validity of such claims.
    Article C: Wars involving the elements in the above articles may not be carried out against the Esamir Capital Territory.

    Part IV - Use of Internet Relay Chat
    Article A: Establishes the internet relay chat (IRC) room at this address as the official IRC: http://us19.chatzy.com/79196509373489. In the event that this address becomes unavailable, the Speaker must create a new IRC room. The Speaker shall act as the moderator of the IRC room.
    Article B: The Esamir General Assembly and Security Council may hold debates and votes on resolutions over the official IRC room.
    Article C: The resolution being debated and voted upon in its final form must be posted on the forums prior to official debate and/or voting. Transition from the debate into voting and extensions to the debate must be posted on the regional forums. The final results must be posted as well.
    Article D: If a vote is held over IRC, a member of the Esamir Court of Justice must post a document known as a “Writ of Assurance” within three days after the results have been posted acknowledging that the votes were accurately recorded.
    Article E: The IRC room can be used for recreational purposes when it isn't being used by the Esamir government.

    Part V - Miscellaneous Provisions
    Article A: Affirms that the Future Era Roleplay shall have no limits on technological advancement and begins on the year 2100.
    Article B: Affirms that in the event that the regional IRC has a password, it must always be “yellowblue” for all non-administrative users.
    Article C: Nations may not be forced to allow the World Health Organization (WHO) to operate within their borders if they do not wish to do so. Nations may not be forced to participate in the WHO.


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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Kaevi on Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:40 am

    The debate period has now started, ending on August 1, 2015, at 00:00 UTC.
    Nations may close the debate period or extend it with a 4/5 majority of debating nations.
    The author of this resolution may also request to close the debate period.
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Federation of Antanares on Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:32 am

    Sincerely, I don't see the necessities of another renovation of the Technology Restriction Act.
    We just discussed, a lot, about the level of the technologies in our era.
    For the helicarriers, I would not rewrite all the pages of discussion, but only say: we can go into space and remain in it but not fly a ship in our skies?
    Nano-technology and DNA-Alteration are techs that, just now, are studied in all the world and used (not the second, I think) and considering the actual level of the researches I think that would be a reality in the next twenty years. Where is the problem with them?
    Also, for space colonies, the limits are too strictly. Not for the Mars bases but I think that we can afford better colonies in the space and on the Moon, considering that some nations constructed a orbital elevator.
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Eurasia on Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:00 am

    Helicarriers are unrealistic. If you can show me how it is possible, using current technology, to fly an aircraft carrier, which ways a few thousand tons, thousands of feet in the air with just four big fans, I'm all ears.

    Nano-technology and DNA alteration are not possible for humans. Bacteria and some animals? Sure. Humans? No. It's illegal and impossible at this stage in development.

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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Kaevi on Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:07 am

    Federation of Antanares wrote:Also, for space colonies, the limits are too strictly. Not for the Mars bases but I think that we can afford better colonies in the space and on the Moon, considering that some nations constructed a orbital elevator.

    The Earth-orbit-area colonies are the same size as the ones that were in your resolution.

    Also, this does not prohibit orbital elevators, so whoever made one before can still keep it.
    Whatever is not prohibited by this resolution is to be considered allowable.
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Eurasia on Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:46 am

    I would like to propose an amendment to part V, which reads:

    "Article C: Nations may not be forced to allow the WHO to operate within their borders if they do not wish to do so.

    Nations may not be forced to participate in the WHO."
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Kaevi on Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:51 am

    Europe and Asia wrote:I would like to propose an amendment to part V, which reads:

    "Article C: Nations may not be forced to allow the WHO to operate within their borders if they do not wish to do so.

    Nations may not be forced to participate in the WHO."

    Very well.




    The Speaker has now initiated a vote on the above amendment to Part V.
    The amendment voting period shall last 24 hours, ending on July 29, 2015, at 00:00 UTC.
    Members may submit in favor, against, or abstention.
    Votes of abstention will be counted as votes in favor.
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Eurasia on Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:51 am

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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Federation of Antanares on Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:47 pm

    The debate is just ended? But I haven't the opportunity to respond!
    We just demonstrated, all the time, that the helicarriers, with our technology level, are possible. If you object this, I will ask if battle-armors with fusion power plants are possible with the current level of tech! If an orbital elevator is possible! If are possible fusion power plants! You eliminated only what you don't have and this is unfair.

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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by United States of Europe on Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:11 pm

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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by New Tarajan on Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:42 pm

    I'm sorry being late for the debate....with the permission of the Speaker, I wish to add only one thing to the debate already done here: the US government is studying the possibility to have an helicarrier, actually.
    But even if we consider it as unrealistic, surely we should define as such also fusion-powered armors for soldiers (and fusion energy as a whole, due the technological requirements still not fulfilled in our world). So, in case this resolution should pass, I'm ready to add an amendment adding also these things to the text itself, in order to better comply with its goal.

    So, said, I vote AGAINST.
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Kaevi on Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:16 am

    Federation of Antanares wrote:The debate is just ended? But I haven't the opportunity to respond!
    We just demonstrated, all the time, that the helicarriers, with our technology level, are possible. If you object this, I will ask if battle-armors with fusion power plants are possible with the current level of tech! If an orbital elevator is possible! If are possible fusion power plants! You eliminated only what you don't have and this is unfair.

    I generally don't have things that are fundamentally impossible, e.g. helicarriers. Also, I don't have a base on Mars, yet here I am allowing them.
    A lot of this resolution was copied directly from yours, so no, I'm not eliminating what I don't have because I'm a jealous six-year-old who wants what all the "cool" kids at the playground have.

    Federation of New Tarajan wrote:I'm sorry being late for the debate....with the permission of the Speaker, I wish to add only one thing to the debate already done here: the US government is studying the possibility to have an helicarrier, actually.
    But even if we consider it as unrealistic, surely we should define as such also fusion-powered armors for soldiers (and fusion energy as a whole, due the technological requirements still not fulfilled in our world). So, in case this resolution should pass, I'm ready to add an amendment adding also these things to the text itself, in order to better comply with its goal.

    No one said the mechs were powered by fusion, but I will revise it to where fusion-powered mechs are not allowed.

    To the both of you, and for all really, this is a vote on the amendment. The vote on the whole resolution will come later.
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Eurasia on Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:55 am

    New Tarajan wrote:I'm sorry being late for the debate....with the permission of the Speaker, I wish to add only one thing to the debate already done here: the US government is studying the possibility to have an helicarrier, actually.
    But even if we consider it as unrealistic, surely we should define as such also fusion-powered armors for soldiers (and fusion energy as a whole, due the technological requirements still not fulfilled in our world). So, in case this resolution should pass, I'm ready to add an amendment adding also these things to the text itself, in order to better comply with its goal.

    The U.S. Government also put lasers on Dolphins. Should I have a dolphin army that shoots death rays? I think not.
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by New Tarajan on Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:53 am

    The U.S. Government also put lasers on Dolphins. Should I have a dolphin army that shoots death rays? I think not.

    In theory, you could.

    Kaevi, I was not referring to mechs....but really I meant armors: Eurasia adopted them time ago (inspired from Halo and Fallout)
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Arveyres on Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:07 am

    New Tarajan wrote:
    The U.S. Government also put lasers on Dolphins. Should I have a dolphin army that shoots death rays? I think not.

    In theory, you could.

    Kaevi, I was not referring to mechs....but really I meant armors: Eurasia adopted them time ago (inspired from Halo and Fallout)
    You also said the US Government is studying the possibility to have something. That doesn't mean they are anywhere near having them. I could study about the possibility of have a flying marble warship covered in Swarovski crystals, but we all know that's too impractical to happen.
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Eurasia on Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:16 am

    New Tarajan wrote:
    The U.S. Government also put lasers on Dolphins. Should I have a dolphin army that shoots death rays? I think not.

    In theory, you could.

    Kaevi, I was not referring to mechs....but really I meant armors: Eurasia adopted them time ago (inspired from Halo and Fallout)

    "In theory, I could?" Jesus, talk about looking at the point coming at you, ducking, standing back up, barrel rolling out of the way, then limboing under it. Could you possibly have done a worse job of missing the point?


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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by New Tarajan on Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:51 am

    I know only one thing: I don't care anymore so much about my helicarriers, since it looks like they inevitably attract so much hate by many people any time I deploy them; however, I care about correc t RP so it's only natural to add to this resolution also all those sci-fi things that are not included yet.
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Federation of Antanares on Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:36 am

    Kaevi wrote:I generally don't have things that are fundamentally impossible, e.g. helicarriers. Also, I don't have a base on Mars, yet here I am allowing them.
    A lot of this resolution was copied directly from yours, so no, I'm not eliminating what I don't have because I'm a jealous six-year-old who wants what all the "cool" kids at the playground have.

    Nanotechnology into biological organisms is not impossible. It is currently used for medical analysis (DNA Analysis and use of medical nano-chip). Now are in study the possibilities to use the nanotechs to help to fight the cancer and to improve the administration of medicines. They could be used into the food industry. And are all applications used and studied now. I don't understand why we can't have the possibilities to use it. I understand the ban of altering humans DNA in already born individuals, but not the ban of the nanotechs in biological organisms.

    Kaevi wrote:Article A: Colonies may be established in Earth’s orbit, Earth’s Lagrange points, and on Earth’s moon with a limit of five hundred people.
    Article B: The planet of Mars may have bases that house no more than two thousand people.

    It have also more sense the contrary. Five hundreds on Mars and two thousands on the space Lagrange-Colonies and five thousands on the Moon.

    Kaevi wrote:Article C: Mechs without the capability to fly may be permitted. Mechs may not use nuclear fusion as a source of power.

    Why we can't have mechs with nuclear fusion as source of power? Some nations use personal armors with little fusion battery. Where is the problem to install a battery of this kind on a mech?
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Eurasia on Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:47 am

    Look, I'm an oncologist, and I have only heard about research into nanotechnology. And even then, the research is far off from being reality. i have heard no such thing about "DNA analysis and use if medical nanochip". If you're referring to certain chemicals that we use to detect cancer, they rent chemicals we inject. They're biochemical secretions that tumors release that we can detect and measure, e.g. alpha-feroprotein, beta 2-microglobulin, BCR-ABL fusion gene et cetera, then I fail to see how that is nanotechnology.

    Lastly, if you're referring to "nano" chips like this:http://singularityhub.com/2011/02/16/programmable-bio-nano-chips-the-first-viable-medical-lab-on-a-chip/, that's hardly nanotechnology.

    Also, if you're referring to the technology used to crate artificial DNA (which isn't used in living things), that's not exactly a medical procedure.

    If you're referring to something else, I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about, and being a doctor, I'm about as authoritative as you're going to get on the subject.
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Kaevi on Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:01 am

    The voting period for the amendment to Part V of this proposal has ended.
    The amendment has been passed and shall be implemented.

    FOR (incl. ABSTAIN) - 5
    AGAINST - 2




    Nations may continue debating the proposal, but the debate will end automatically on August, 1, 2015, at 00:00 UTC.
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by Federation of Antanares on Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:49 pm

    But are research currently on course. I don't understand why we can't have completed or continued them. I don't see in the world any kind of orbital elevator, but you have one. I don't see any fusion reactor, but I see that everyone here have one of this. I don't see a lot of thinks, I don't see any kind of societies like ours in the actual world, but this doesn't stopped us from create our nations.
    I understand that, to avoid to be too much futuristic, we must have some limits, but some limits. Or we eliminate all single things that actually doesn't exist (so, goodbye fusion power, space colonies, Mars and Moon colonies, armors, mechs, artificial mobile islands and everything similar) or we concede some space for creativity.
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    Re: (P(I)) Technological and Supernatural Reform Resolution

    Post by New Tarajan on Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:19 pm

    Wait but....for what amendment was this vote?

    And also...why at the end there's a provision involving the WHO? It's a purely IC issue, surely not concerning an OOC regulation about technological levels.

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